Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-12846745-20140925235943/@comment-5196731-20160113161451

Arend wrote: DevilX90 wrote: Arend wrote:

DevilX90 wrote:

Arend wrote:

DevilX90 wrote: 1. Fake leaks just did deconfirmed characters, i.e. Rayman and Shovel Knight. And remember the fake Chrom leak?

2. Oh, but you were expecting Rayman to be confirmed, but nope, fake leak, Rayman deconfirmed, and disqualified from the ballot. The same as Shovel Knight.

3. Well, Rayman games were never released in Japan, so that makes Rayman an Indie character. Ubisoft, the company that owns Rayman, is the total opposite of an indie development team. They're not as big as Nintendo, but they're definitely big.
 * 1) I do remember the Chrom leak: Shulk and Pac-Man were in that same leak. That confirms that fake leaks don't disconfirm characters
 * 2) FAKE LEAKS DON'T EQUAL BALLOT DISQUALIFICATION.
 * 3) This entire point of yours is 100% false. I'll explain why.
 * 4) Rayman games were released in Japan. Famously, Japan's Rayman 2 had many alterations to make Rayman and his allies look more like the good guys (e.g. Rayman's shirt was blue), and Rayman Legends was in fact released by Nintendo in Japan. Rayman Origins was released in Japan too, but only for PS3.
 * 5) an"Indie" game doesn't mean that it wasn't released in Japan. Indie games generally are games created by individuals or smaller companies, generally without a publisher of sorts. Shovel Knight is a perfect example of an indie title because Yacht Club Games is a generally small team of developers. Shovel Knight became a reality in the first place because of crowdfunding, what most indie games go through nowadays.

1. Shulk and Pac-Man were real leaks, meaning that they're confirmed, while Chrom, Rayman, and Shovel Knight were fake leaks, meaning that they're deconfirmed. Real leak = character confirmed, Fake leak = character deconfirmed.

2. Yes, it does. Rayman and Shovel Knight were disqualified for fake leaks.

3. Ah, touche. But still, when it comes to a Rayman leak, fake is fake.
 * 1) How can they be "real leaks" if they're from the exact same leak as Chrom? All three come from a forum post with random guesses by Gematsu, they aren't separate leaks. AKA your argument is flawed.
 * 2) Care to explain how a fake leak that the Nintendo dev team probably doesn't even know about would disqualify a character from the ballot?

1. There is a separate leak now. Like I said, when a leak is real, a character is confirmed. But when a leak is fake, a character is deconfirmed. It doesn't matter if Shulk and Pac-Man are from the "exact same leak as Chrom", both Shulk and Pac-Man are in, as in "confirmed by a real leak", and Chrom is out, as in "deconfirmed by a fake leak". Now it's YOUR argument that's flawed.

2. Those fake leaks about Rayman and Shovel Knight weren't even made by Nintendo, so of course they would disqualify both Rayman and Shovel Knight from the ballot. Any character who are exposed as a fake leak should be disqualified. 1. Still, Pac-Man got confirmed, therefore that leak is real, while the Chrom is fake, and therefore, Chrom is deconfirmed. Your argument is even more flawed than mine would ever be, boy. 2. Looks to me like Nintendo just did disqualify Rayman and Shovel Knight for being fake leaks. A fake leak is against the rule of the Fighter Ballot, and since they broke the rules, Rayman and Shovel Knight got the one thing they deserve: disqualification.
 * 1) Only Shulk was in another leak. Pac-Man was never in another leak other than the Gematsu one, the exact same leak as Chrom. The Gematsu leak also had more characters that were eventually put in the game, like Little Mac. Or is there suddenly a second Pac-Man leak? AKA, nope, your argument is still flawed.
 * 2) If Nintendo isn't behind the leak, then that means they likely don't know about it... which means they cannot disqualify Rayman or Shovel Knight because they were in a fake leak. And even if they do know about it, I seriously doubt Nintendo would disqualify them because of that. Moreover, "Any character who are exposed as a fake leak should be disqualified" is probably the stupidest decision ever, because this defeats the purpose of the ballot. I mean, think about it: the ballot was there so fans could voice their opinion who should be in Smash. Certain characters appeared in fake leaks. Disqualifying characters from fake leaks would upset those fans who dearly want them, especially since these fake leaks are just pranks. I can remember that a Nintendo worker said that "any video game character is eligible". This also means Rayman and Shovel Knight.

And there you have it, Arend, after a fake leak, neither Rayman and Shovel Knight would ever be in Smash, not even in the future Smash game (if Sakurai would ever make another Smash game, which I doubt he would).